C2IG Meeting Minutes December 12, 1997

Unable to Attend: Ben Humphrey, Jim Frew, Roger Lenard, Rich Prohaska, Vince Sefcik, and Ed Mehlschau

Fiber Costs

• Doing the work required to make the GTE single mode fiber useful would cost $12,000.
• Splitting Ring 2 with 22 SMF fibers and 96 MMF fibers at Broida Hall would cost $30,000.
• Splitting Ring 2 with 22 SMF fibers and 96 MMF fibers at Broida Hall and extending the fiber to Engineering I would cost $36,000.

NCEAS

Mark Schildhauer gave us an overview of the work being done at NCEAS. His group is applying for new grant funds and they have been told to dramatically increase their network availability which is currently just a T1 to campus.

Caltrans Deal

Last Friday the group decided to reject the first offer from Caltrans regarding Fore equipment. Caltrans is still interested in negotiating some sort of deal involving equipment for bandwidth. Caltrans has purchased two ASX 1000's (one 2.5GB backplane and the other 5Gbps backplane). Since Caltrans made the initial offer to us, and we rejected the terms, it is up to us to approach Caltrans with more acceptable terms if we want to pursue negotiating a deal.

CENIC Update

It has been decided to forego the cost of connecting the L.A. area gigapop directly to the vBNS and instead put in an OC-12 connection to SDSC and use their connection to the vBNS instead. This is great news since it extends the ATM possiblities to UCSD which is helpful for the Music projects, and it gives everyone a bigger pipe to San Diego since the vBNS would have limited us to 0C-3 bandwidth. There was a question about where CalREN-2 fit into the vBNS use policy: vAIs (vBNS Authorized Institutions) may utilize the vBNS to exchange traffic among themselves and to exchange traffic with vPIs (interconnected with the vBNS via other research networks). vPIs (vBNS Partner Institutions) may utilize the vBNS to exchange traffic with vAIs but may not utilize the vBNS to exchange traffic with each other. [Steve Francis clarified in an email dated 12/15/97 that CalREN-2 primary sites will be vAIs]

NTONE

Steve Francis & Stephen Pope told us about the upcoming NTONE (& NTONC) projects that would have requirements for OC-12 speeds across the backbone. Possible participants are ECE, ITP, Mellier-Smith and Music.

Backbone Philosophy

We discussed what we wanted to be our backbone philosophy. Did we want to get equipment that was optimized for ATM traffic only or did we want to get more expensive equipment that would give us the option of ATM, Fast Ethernet, and in the future Gigabit Ethernet. We discussed the following two designs and most of the group thought that the more flexible (FSB) solution was preferable from the standpoint of optimal network design, ease of management, flexibility of networking technologies and not forcing more expensive ATM interfaces on research groups that only wanted big pipes. The only concern was that this philosophy is that only a few vendors might have equipment that qualifies.

CNC Networking Priority Request

The group decided that C2IG should forward a request for networking funds to the BEG for approval in order to be forwarded to the CNC per Bob Sugar's request of 12/10/97. We want to request 36K for the more extensive fiber ring 2 split (we need to justify why that plan is superior to just the Broida hall split.) We also want to include 60K for running fiber just to Arts. We also want to specify that the long term solutions should be running SMF on all of the rings and completing fiber ring 4. Elise said that she would update her previous paper on this that went up to the BEG and send it around to the group via email.

Action Items for Next Meeting: December 19, 1997

1. Each vendor sponsor needs to determine if their vendor can provide an FSB, i.e., it must currently do OC-3, OC-12 and 100BaseFX, and they must be planning to support Gigabit Ethernet in it in the future. We also want to know what sort of Routing Services are provided. If the vendor does have that sort of equipment, then we need to know the associated prices.

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